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#1 KennyP ONLINE  

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Posted January 03, 2013 - 08:10 AM

Hey folks! I have the FF20 with the Onan. It has no PTO clutch on it. It's a hard to find and probably expensive sucker (1-7/16 shaft size). What I am thinking is just mount a pulley to the motor (not nearly as hard to do) and run a belt to an electric PTO mounted below maybe. Then a shaft out of it for a front accessory, say another hyd. pump. Has this idea ever crossed anyone's mind? Is it feasible? I could make an easily found elec. PTO clutch work that way.

This is just idea stage right now. I do happen to have an extra PTO clutch off a B&S 18 HP laying around.



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Posted January 03, 2013 - 08:27 AM

That sounds like a good project Kenny. Is there enough room, so you could mount it up a bit, and

off to one side? Then, your pump, off to the other side. Try and keep everything under the hood.

Is there a pic around of space available?

 

At first, when I read the thread title, I got scared, but not now. :poke:



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Posted January 03, 2013 - 08:43 AM

I think the exhaust is in the way of having it 'under the hood', Will. This is just a 'brainstorm' I came up with. Not sure if it could even work right.

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The crank is behind the front exhaust pipe. I was thinking of putting the PTO below as the frame would give something solid to mount to down there.



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Posted January 03, 2013 - 08:57 AM

Yep, those pipes sure use up that space.

You can make it work, Kenny. Gotta pay attention to pump speed, direction of rotation, belt tensioning

setup. all doable.



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Posted January 03, 2013 - 09:10 AM

Are the PTO clutches set up to lock in rotating one direction or could you flip one 180 and it still be functional?  Never had one apart to see how they work/lock up.



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Posted January 03, 2013 - 09:44 AM

most electric pto's are just a big electro-magnet. direction of rotation is not a factor. I think the lgt195 uses the same pto clutch, if that helps any.

The bigger engines are used in many "non GT" applications. Just keep your eyes open and get creative. I found an engine (24hp kohler) for my lgt195 on a tennant 240 sweeper for $200 and ended up with a huge vickers hydraulic pump to boot, not to mention several hydraulic cylinders, valves and 1000# of scrap steel. (but no pto clutch)


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Posted January 03, 2013 - 09:50 AM

Look out guys...Kenny's thinking again!   :anvil_drop: .................... :smilewink:


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Posted January 03, 2013 - 09:54 AM

Kenny, those PTO clutches aren't terribly expensive, but not cheap either.  This one says from a JD316 that was repowered with a P218, but doesn't specify crank size.  A question to the seller could confirm.

http://www.ebay.com/...=item2a27857ad2



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Posted January 03, 2013 - 10:00 AM

Yepper, Daniel! I have looked in several PTO clutch sites and do not see any listed for that crank size. Most are the 1"-1-1/4" shaft size.

rat88, I was thinking that was how it was.

Anyways, just thought I would throw this out and see what all you folks thought.



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Posted January 03, 2013 - 10:10 AM

Confirmation on lgt 195 pto shaft size. I had to double check, as I wasnt sure myself.

 

 

 

 

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Tractor:

  • Make: FORD
  • Name: LGT195
  • Model: 09JC3526
  • Serial #: 221
  • Year: 1977
  • Hours: Unknown

Engine:

  • Make: Kohler
  • Model: K532QS
  • Spec #: 53156A
  • Serial #: 8268677
  • PTO Shaft: 2 5/8" x 1 7/16"
  • Horse Power: 20
  • Orientation: Horizontal

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Posted January 03, 2013 - 10:10 AM

Kenny i have a couple of the ff here that will be parted out. Just parted a 18 and the clutch was good and looking at the other 20 or 24 i have here it's looks like the same clutch. Send me a pm or phone call if interested in it.


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Posted January 03, 2013 - 10:16 AM

PM sent!



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Posted January 03, 2013 - 10:52 AM

Kenny,that not a bad idea.It could work.


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Posted January 06, 2013 - 01:34 PM

I just dug out the PTO clutch I have laying about. It is for a 1" shaft, 3-1/4" long, with a 6" OD pulley. I may look for one to fit directly on the engine. In the mean time, I am going to look into this as I may be able to use it on Big Bertha. It has the same output shaft on the Onan in it, I'm thinking a flange bearing would be the way to go for the shaft. It would give better support in all directions. I have a chunk of 3/4" plate that it could be mounted to, with the PTO clutch on the opposite side. Keep the shaft short, couple to a hydraulic pump. Small, compact, auxiliary Hydraulics.







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