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Will Open Side Lgt Front Axle Fit Closed Side Lgts?

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#1 Utah Smitty OFFLINE  

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Posted January 01, 2013 - 10:36 AM

Hi All

 

I hope everyone had a good Christmas with lot's of good memories and a joyous holiday season.

 

I haven't been on the site for a couple months--- new project at work, wife needed major surgery, the Holidays descended on us and life in general just got in the way.

 

However, during this time I managed to get a good crank installed in my K341 Kohler, along with new piston, rings, con rod, etc.  The crank pin was about .001" under standard, but smooth. The machinist polished the pin, and "fit" the rod to it, then reassembled everything, including the counterweights (he had a few choice words to say about them, LOL).

 

Now I'm ready to put the engine back in the tractor, but discovered a major problem while working on it.

 

This is the tractor that I bought in Idaho with the broken con rod... seems the PO or PPO also did a little free lance work on the front end with a cut-off grinder... in the process he managed to put two very deep cuts into the lower flange of the axle beam.  They are almost at right angles to the length of the axle on the left side.

 

I could have choked him if I could lay hands on him... but, seeing as that option isn't open to me, I now need to find a way to either repair the axle or replace it.  I want to put a FEL on this tractor and am worried the axle will break if I leave it as is.

 

The tractor I'm repairing is an LGT 165 09JC3336 ser no. 9611 (closed-sided model).  I have a couple open-sided LGT tractors that I was planning to use as parts donors. I don't know their serial number as I can't find the tag for them. Does anyone know if the front axle off one of them will fit on my closed-sided LGT 165?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Utah Smitty



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Posted January 01, 2013 - 10:42 AM

From what I see in the parts manual, they are different part #'s. Maybe Keith (skyrydr2) can shed some light on this as he has both tractors.


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Posted January 01, 2013 - 11:00 AM

Thanks, Kenny.

 

I have both tractors as well, but we have 10" of snow on the ground and I can't move the tractors side by side to compare them... just didn't want to start pulling the axles if they won't swap...

 

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Posted January 01, 2013 - 11:02 AM

Not only are the axles different #'s, but the spindles too. I can't say it will/won't fit.


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Posted January 01, 2013 - 11:20 AM

Can you weld them up?



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Posted January 01, 2013 - 11:42 AM

Hi Smitty, wish you and your wife very much health in the new year :thumbs:


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Posted January 01, 2013 - 11:50 AM

Happy New Year, Smitty! I forgot that and I apologize for not doing that sooner!


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Posted January 01, 2013 - 03:25 PM

Can you weld them up?

 

I think the axles are cast iron... if so, I don't think I can weld them.  If they're forged, then I could weld them...

 

I don't know this for sure--anyone else have information on this???



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Posted January 01, 2013 - 03:27 PM

Not only are the axles different #'s, but the spindles too. I can't say it will/won't fit.

 

Not only are the axles different #'s, but the spindles too. I can't say it will/won't fit.

For some reason, when I post with a quote, it shows the quote twice...

 

Anyway... gee, Kenny, I thought you were one of the Ford gurus that could spout part numbers and interchanges off the top of your head!!  ;o}

 

Steve


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Posted January 01, 2013 - 05:14 PM

They get intermingled with the Birthdays. Takes a while to decipher all that.


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Posted January 02, 2013 - 01:19 PM

Sorry for not seeing this earlier, and happy new year! They will swap, BUT you need to keep the spindles and such as they are. One has a tad more offset( newer one) for better ground clearance. Try to drill the center bottom for a grease fitting, if it is gray and powdery chips then welding will be difficult. If you get curlys your good to go, its cast steel. The differences are sudtle at best.
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Posted January 02, 2013 - 05:09 PM

With enough money and work anything will fit. :poke:


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Posted January 03, 2013 - 10:17 PM

I have adapted a open side axle to a closed side tractor, now, one note, is that there is no bushing for the pin to wear against, as the open side tractor has their bushings in the main axle mounting tabs, and the closed side tractor has the bushing in the axle. as for the steering, I just flipped over the steering draglink on the left spindle and re-keyed it to work with the closed side linkage.


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Posted January 03, 2013 - 10:20 PM

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Posted January 04, 2013 - 10:44 PM

Sorry for not seeing this earlier, and happy new year! They will swap, BUT you need to keep the spindles and such as they are. One has a tad more offset( newer one) for better ground clearance. Try to drill the center bottom for a grease fitting, if it is gray and powdery chips then welding will be difficult. If you get curlys your good to go, its cast steel. The differences are sudtle at best.

Thanks, Keith... I'll check on that.  I've done a little machining and can tell what cast iron chips look like so that will be a good test.  Hopefully it's steel.  There's a good weld shop about 10 miles from here and he can do almost anything...

 

Regards,

 

Steve






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