very sad, up here in canada we have gun control, but somehow the idiots and criminals still get them, i agree gun control works for law abiding people, but whats the point, stop the madness reintroduce the automatic death penalty for deaths involving a gun during a crime, automatic 10 years prison sentence for crimes involving a weapon of any kind, and automatic 5 year sentence for carrying a gun unlawfully, criminals dont get consealed weapons permits, that way the wimpy judges are bound to the minimums and these people will think twice or go to jail for a long time, also make prison a punishment not a holiday camp that they brag about, to all you bleeding hearts talking about prisoner rights they had rights as free people they do not deserve to be treated better than upstanding members of the community no matter what their social statis is , in England one judge got so tired of razor slashings he posted in the paper all offences with razors would be doubled he started sentencing at 1 year then 2 then 4 then 8 then 16, suddenly the razor slashing stopped, wonder why? it takes someone with guts to standup to all the reformists, let them deal with the loss of a loved one and see which side they run to. just my thoughts, not meaning to offend,