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#1 Rock farmer ONLINE  

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Posted December 08, 2012 - 01:23 PM

My new ford;

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I got it of eBay.
Tractor, 42" deck, 42" blower, weight box and chains $500
I 'm happy with that deal!
But, it is non running. I checked the spark last night it's good.
But, I could not get it to fire at all?
I'm thinking timing. Maybe a bad key way in the flywheel?

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Posted December 08, 2012 - 01:55 PM

Nice looking Tractor I'm sure you are going to like it.
These have a Kohler engine with a coil that looks like it would fit on a car. The points are mounted on the outside of the engine block under a cover with 2 screws holding it on just follow the wire from the coil down to it.

The flywheel and key has nothing to do with timing but the point gap is somewhat critical on these engines. Start at 20 thousands gap on the points. If you have a good blue spark then Perhaps it is a fuel issue. If you get a chance it would be a good idea to look at a Kohler Model number K341 Manual

I'm sure someone will be here shortly to offer some better suggestions.

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Posted December 08, 2012 - 02:09 PM

Half the fun is keeping them running. But that is a really nice looking Ford. Good luck!
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Posted December 08, 2012 - 02:36 PM

That's a very nice looking Ford.
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Posted December 08, 2012 - 02:51 PM

Thanks guys!
I'm trying to find the flywheel timing mark on the Kohler K341.
Anyone point me in the right direction?

Check out this mower blade.
Maybe one or two more seasons there?
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Posted December 08, 2012 - 06:51 PM

Thanks guys!
I'm trying to find the flywheel timing mark on the Kohler K341.
Anyone point me in the right direction?

Check out this mower blade.
Maybe one or two more seasons there?
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Joe

Check out this. It's awful hard to see in there, a flashlight can help. Once you find the 'S', use a piece of chalk to high lite it.
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Posted December 08, 2012 - 07:21 PM

Sweet looking Ford there Joe. I would check the points as well. The timing is normally very close if you set the gap to factory spec. The timing adjustment is really just the gap adjustment. If they are pitted or out of adjustment the engine may suddenly not start. I had this happen to me on a K321. After trying to start it is the plug dry or wet? This will tell you if you have a no fuel situation as well. They are tough engines and parts are still available.
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Posted December 08, 2012 - 07:42 PM

Thanks!
I decided to remove and clean the points. They really didn't look bad.
After that it will fire and run for a bit, then stops.
Spark plug not wet or dry but, seems to soot up awfully fast?
Cold, dark and raining! Will try again in the morning.
Seems like weak spark / poor timing.
Much better than a bad key way !
May yet need to clean carb.

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Posted December 08, 2012 - 07:54 PM

Could be a weak spark. The connections should be checked in the ignition circuit including the connection from the engine chassis back to the battery - terminal. If the engine is rubber mounted then a separate wire is required to complete the circuit. If there is a bad connection anywhere in the circuit the spark can be week. I'd give all the wiring a good look see. Bad connections tend to develop over time in these older tractors due to dirt and corrosion in connectors and at terminals. Look for signs of head gasket leakage as well. This will cause problems starting and running. I like to eliminate electrical problems before taking carbs apart. You should also check at the carb for good fuel flow. A dirty filter or clogged fuel line is a common problem as well. You might want to drain the tank and refill with fresh gas if you suspect the tractor has been sitting for any length of time.
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Posted December 08, 2012 - 08:35 PM

Nice looking Ford. :thumbs:
Have you tried a new plug? Once a plug is fouled, it usually fouls easily again.
Really like the snow blower and weight box. A snow blower is on the wish list someday. How is the weight box attached? Do you have a three point?
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Posted December 08, 2012 - 10:17 PM

You sure got yourself a nice looking tractor. Sounds like your problem is not real serious and I'll bet you will have running before long. Good luck and enjoy your new Ford.
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Posted December 08, 2012 - 10:37 PM

The history on this tractor is that the guy that bought it new soon
Found changing the mower deck and attaching the snow blower
Was more than he could handle. So he bought. A smaller machine.
Sold this to a friend, he kept it for the rest of his life. ( must have liked it?)
When he passed away he left to his son. He really didn't have a large
Enough yard or drive to need this.
He sold it to me. He did some work to try and make it run. Points and plug
Look new, gas is fresh, tank is clean. So, I can't really say any one thing is really bad.
All and all a good unmolested 45 year old machine.
I checked the ground strap from the motor to frame. It seemed good.
I expect I'll get it running tomorrow. Rain should stop, and it will be warmer.
I'll drop the bowl on the carb. Redo the points again. Clean electrical connections.
The weight box attaches to the back of the tractor with a couple of bar brackets.
Which I have. Maybe I'll set that up and take a picture tomorrow.
Thanks for your comments!
Joe

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Posted December 09, 2012 - 06:08 PM

Got it running today.
Removed and filed the points.
Cleaned electrical connections.
I thought the engine ground looked good.
But, when I took it apart, it was greasy!
Drove in high / low worked nice, steering good.
No smoke no knocking
Does not run smooth. I'm thinking fuel delivery problem.
Removed carb bowl rusty gunk in there!
It has a plastic tank. So, that stuff came from a gas can!
cleaned carb with spray.
Brake did not work. Needs adjustment?
Hydro lift did not work. Need to investigate that!
Lights did not work, then did, then didn't! I'm suspecting switch
Could not move pto switch at all. I'll need to replace that.

And here's a couple of picture of the weight box.

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Posted December 09, 2012 - 09:24 PM

It sounds like you are making real progress. Keep at it and you'll have it running great in no time.
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Posted December 10, 2012 - 05:59 AM

Nice looking Ford you got there. Wiring connections can be a pain on these old tractors. Check the fluid level in the rear end, that may be part of the lift problem. Does this have a spin-on filter for the hydraulics? Or is it the inline? The inline ones are expensive. I'd like to change mine to the spin-on.
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