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Posted January 26, 2013 - 09:26 AM

Thanks Ray for the Great pictures, upates, and explanations of your resto.

It's lookin great.

Those are real interesting machines. I've only ever seen one for sale up here

and they wanted 4500. I would think, you'd want to limit how much you use

the reverse. That's gotta be hard on the pulleys, yes? I may have missed it

in your thread somewhere, but do have any attachments for the toolbar?


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Posted January 26, 2013 - 03:49 PM

Looks to be quite the job to change belts, or is that rather simple too?

Not too bad .. you have to loosen the engine and slide it forward a little.


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Posted January 26, 2013 - 03:58 PM

 I would think, you'd want to limit how much you use

the reverse. That's gotta be hard on the pulleys, yes?

I may have missed it

in your thread somewhere, but do have any attachments for the toolbar?

The pulleys are heavy cast iron and they don't seam to wear very much.

I have not seen a Ridemaster  yet that the reverse disc or upper pulley was worn out.

 

I have a set of aftermarket spring cultivators that I'm working on right now for this tractor.


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Posted January 26, 2013 - 04:50 PM

Ray, did the engine drive pulley use any clutch material on the outside for the driven pulley to ride on when in reverse?


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Posted January 26, 2013 - 05:31 PM

Ray, did the engine drive pulley use any clutch material on the outside for the driven pulley to ride on when in reverse?

My 47 and early 48 Ridemasters both have a bronze material for the reverse disc on the engine pulley.
This works good for reverse but it is noisy.
The later ( unrestored ) 48 Ridemaster that I have has a fiber type material for the reverse disc and it works excellent with out making any noise.

When I made the engine drive pulley for the Bean Cutler I made the reverse disc out of brake band material that I bought from Mc Master Carr.
It grips really well and is quiet.
I have been thinking of changing the reverse disc on both of the Ridemasters to this material but I haven't done it yet.

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Posted January 26, 2013 - 05:56 PM

I didn't figure the engineers would run cast iron on cast iron. That wouldn't last very long. Thanks Ray.


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Posted January 27, 2013 - 01:57 PM

The spring cultivators are all taken apart and ready for sand blasting.
These are aftermarket cultivators and not original Bolens Ridemaster implements.
They came with one of the Ridemasters that I bought so I'm going to use them on this tractor.

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The cultivator points are all painted.
The rest of the parts are sandblasted and ready for paint ( you can see them in the background ).

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First they all get primed.

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Then they get painted.

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Posted January 27, 2013 - 04:20 PM

Boy. that's gonna look good!


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Posted January 27, 2013 - 06:26 PM

Ray, how did those look on the Ridemaster you took them off of, and exactly how did they mount up to the bar?

 

Also, excellent progress, thanks for sharing.


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Posted January 29, 2013 - 10:31 AM

Here is one of my spring cultivators.
There are six with a 7 inch wide pointed spade tip like this and one with a 2 inch wide flat spade tip.

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These cultivators came with the 1948 Ridemaster that I got out of Illinois a couple of years ago.
That tractor had a tool bar that was different from the tool bars on my other Ridemasters.
Here is the regular tool bar on the Ridemaster that I'm working on now.
It is a 2 inch square bar with two vertical mounting brackets welded on top of the bar.  
This tool bar is 40 inch long.

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The tool bar on that other Ridemaster was 60 inch long and it was welded behind the vertical mounting brackets ( not under them ).
I sold that 1948 Ridemaster to a guy out in Pennsylvanian.
When he came and picked it up the wide tool bar was still on it and I didn't even think about it at the time so it went with the tractor.


So now I'm ready to mount these cultivators on my 1947 Ridemaster and they don't fit !!!!
The lower lift bracket on the tractor has a round crossbar running between the two side brackets that the lift spring it attached to.
There is not enough room between the square tool bar and that round crossbar for the spring cultivator.
Also if I mount all seven cultivators on this 40 wide inch tool bar, there isn't any open space between the spade tips for the plants to go between them.

I'm going to have to make a tool bar like what was on that other tractor.
My wife is picking up a 5 foot long section of square tube today after she gets off work.
Meanwhile, I have cut the old tool bar off the vertical mounting brackets.
The lower front corner is trimmed off at a 45 degree like the other tool bar brackets were.
The vertical mounting brackets are bolted back onto the lift arms and ready for the new tool bar to be welded to them.

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I've fastened a piece of 2 inch square tube in one of the cultivators.
Holding it up in position where the original tool bar was, you can see the front curve of the spring comes to about the center of the round crossbar.

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Holding the cultivator in the position of the other tool bar, you can see that there is a lot of room between the tool bar and the round crossbar.
This also raises the cultivators up a couple of inches for more ground clearance when the tool bar is raised up.
This will sure help for loading the tractor on the trailer.

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I know these spring cultivators are not Bolens factory implements so this raises some interesting questions ......

1.   These cultivators are stamped " made in South America "
Were these made as an after market cultivator for the Ridemaster tractors or are these something that some farmer adapted to fit his Ridemaster?

2. If they were sold as an after market implement for the Ridemasters, did they came with the 60 inch modified tool bar or was that built up by the farmer.

My answer to both of those questions is, I don't have the slightest idea if they are a factory made accessory or if they are  " farmer adapted ".

The welds looked very good and the 45 degree cut corners on the mounting brackets were smooth and even.
They looked more like factory than home made especially taking into consideration that this was probably done back in the 40's or 50's.

 

 

I'm sure that in the 11 years of production on these Ridemasters that a lot of them were shipped outside of the US.

I have never seen another Ridemaster with these spring cultivators on it and Hank Watkins ( the Bolens expert ) has never seen or heard of any either.

 

I suppose that these could have been made as an accessory for the Ridemasters and just sold to the farmers down in South America ?

 

At any rate, they came with a Ridemaster that I bought so I'm going to use them even though they are not Bolens factory implements.


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Posted January 29, 2013 - 10:53 AM

Ray, They are going to look great even though they may not be original RM parts. I like the fact you don't mind altering things to make them work. Great Job !! :thumbs:


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Posted January 29, 2013 - 12:41 PM

Ray, why didn't you just make new brackets(tabs) for your new toolbar versus cutting the other?

Also, excellent progress.
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Posted January 29, 2013 - 01:20 PM

Ray, why didn't you just make new brackets(tabs) for your new toolbar versus cutting the other?

I have no use for an extra Ridemaster tool bar laying around but I can always find a use for a piece of 2x2 square steel tube.

These tool bars don't brake so there isn't any market for trying to sell one.

The mounting brackets each have three 3/4 threaded holes tapped in to them.

Doing the threaded holes in new brackets would be a lot more work than just using the existing brackets.


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Posted January 29, 2013 - 01:24 PM

Ray, that is understandable. The threaded holes would be a real pita.
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Posted January 29, 2013 - 01:40 PM

Those are going to look real good on there, Ray! I like the way you are adapting this to work. It will still look factory and function very well!


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