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Posted October 22, 2012 - 10:14 AM

Titus I have not had this to happen.....so I am no help......sorry!

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Posted October 22, 2012 - 11:48 AM

Brakes feel good, but I will inspect that as well.

Is the clutch disc (I assume that's what you're talking about?) Part S8-18 in the D4-10 manual sticking, is that a common issue?

Looking at the manual, you're thinking it's sticking to S1243 the clutch shaft?


No, the disc may be sticking to the front pressure plate. I've marked these two parts with a red line. If you press your clutch pedal down, then strap it to hold it down, then through the inspection plate hole in the bell housing, you might be able to see if they are stuck together with a screwdriver or another thin tool.
I forgot to mark the rear pressure plate( part S8-1), as the disc could be stuck to either the front or rear plate, or to both!


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Posted October 22, 2012 - 11:50 AM

Thank you very much! That makes perfect sense. I'll grab a nice long flathead and see if they are stuck together. If they are, then the flathead will hopefully do the job to seperate them.

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Posted October 22, 2012 - 05:04 PM

One other question before I get my hands dirty LOL

If I have the clutch pressed down and am turning the drive shaft by hand, should the engine be turning as well? That rod connects the transaxle and goes into the bell housing, then goes to the engine.

I would assume that by pressing the clutch down, it would prevent the engine from turning, stopping the transaxle from turning and allowing me to shift into gear.

Am I on the right path understanding this correctly? Just want to be sure.

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Posted October 22, 2012 - 05:49 PM

Disc seemed to be stuck on both plates. One section looked terrible compared to the other two sections, photos will explain better what I am talking about: The last photo shows what the other two sections look like.

I did not start it, but will soon and see if this solved the problem.

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Posted October 22, 2012 - 08:03 PM

One other question before I get my hands dirty LOL

If I have the clutch pressed down and am turning the drive shaft by hand, should the engine be turning as well? That rod connects the transaxle and goes into the bell housing, then goes to the engine.

I would assume that by pressing the clutch down, it would prevent the engine from turning, stopping the transaxle from turning and allowing me to shift into gear.

Am I on the right path understanding this correctly? Just want to be sure.


Yes, with the clutch pushed down, it should disconnect the drive shaft from the engine.

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Posted October 22, 2012 - 08:08 PM

Disc seemed to be stuck on both plates. One section looked terrible compared to the other two sections, photos will explain better what I am talking about: The last photo shows what the other two sections look like.

I did not start it, but will soon and see if this solved the problem.


Looks like water was trapped in the housing at one time. It still may not simply be stuck. There are 3 throwout arms on the rear pressure plate. If one is broken or bent, that side of the pressure plate assembly will not spread & release that area of the disc. In your last picture, you can see one of the throwout arms to the left of the rear pressure plate. If you can get someone to push the clutch in, then you can see if all 3 of the arms are being moved when clutch is pressed down. If all are moving, then the disc is almost surely stuck to the plates. Lots of times you can simply drive it around, up hills & such with clutch held down, and the disc will free itself. Even better, hook a load to it & try this.
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Posted October 22, 2012 - 08:18 PM

Thanks!! I just checked it and in fact one of the throwout arms is not like the other two. One is pointing towards the center while the other two are looking normal. Photos to come in a moment.

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Posted October 22, 2012 - 08:34 PM

Photos:

And for the note, what a PITA it is to get that perfect shot. :)

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Posted October 22, 2012 - 08:35 PM

Those photos above are without the clutch pressed in.

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Posted October 22, 2012 - 08:54 PM

All 3 arms should point to the centerline of the shaft.

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Posted October 22, 2012 - 09:19 PM

So then one is and two are not.

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Posted October 23, 2012 - 01:10 PM

How would I go about correcting it? Just drive it around with the clutch depressed until it corrects itself?

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Posted October 23, 2012 - 02:23 PM

How would I go about correcting it? Just drive it around with the clutch depressed until it corrects itself?


If the throwout arms are not in correct position, I see no other way other than removing the engine & pulling the clutch apart for repairs.
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Posted October 23, 2012 - 07:10 PM

I looked at my D4-10 today and held the clutch down and watched how everything is supposed to work. I'm understanding the process much more now. It to me still feel like this disc is stuck. The side with the water damage is in terrible condition. I'm going to try to find a thin shim to get in there and break it apart from the disc. I hope that will help and get things moving correctly again, as this is a blast to drive! Now to just find something that thin with that amount of reach!

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