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Pops Broke The Jacobsen / Ford 195 Driveshaft


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#1 marlboro180 OFFLINE  

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Posted September 05, 2012 - 10:09 AM

I have been traveling quite a bit lately and and while driving across the country I got a phone call from my father late in the night . Seems earlier in the evening he was cutting grass with the 195, and was going up the toe of the hill in his yard cutting 5" grass.. ... He had changed directions a few times ( he cuts this slope up and down) with no issues, well, until he lost all forward movement and gained one heck of a vibration and the clatter of of a driveshaft whiping around wildly below his legs.

When I got back into town yesterday, I helped out with the recovery effort , using a Mule 550, and the venerable Case 222 to yank that stubborn loader back up the hill . We ended up having cut the driveshaft uncerimoniously from it's belly so that it would not get hung up any while towing the unit back to the garage where we could work on it.

On futher inspection in the garage, the damage includes:

Transaxle mounts are broken from the sides of the frame at the weldment.

Couplers are ground to bits, as well as anything they were bolted to.

Travel controls and related hardware are all twisted, bent or otherwise mangled.

The pump seems to be okay, though it does have a touch of endplay, but seeing as I am new to the Ford/ Jacobsens of this size, I really don't know. Any input on that from more knowledgable folks than I would be appreciated.:-)

Good news is that we have a driveshaft coming from a fella in ND, some couplers coming in from elsewhere ( Joes Outdoor Power , I believe) and all the control mounting shafts on their way as well.


Pics of the carnage, sorry about the sideways views and such, I still can't get the hang of the smartphones. :confuse:

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Posted September 05, 2012 - 10:19 AM

Ouch! He broke it good! Glad you have found some of the parts!

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Posted September 05, 2012 - 11:11 AM

Ouch!!! End play can be as much as
.050 " or round abouts that . Nice that your able to get the goodies so promptly
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Posted September 05, 2012 - 12:04 PM

Ugly carnage, but love that front end loader! Hope it's not too bad getting all going again.

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Posted September 05, 2012 - 12:41 PM

Ouch!!! Who's presiding over the inquest???

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Posted September 05, 2012 - 01:59 PM

Sorry to hear of all the damage. You say the transaxle mounts are broken from the frame. Is that the cause of the rest of the damage?

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Posted September 05, 2012 - 03:16 PM

Yes sir,ouch is definitely the word alright.

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Posted September 05, 2012 - 03:23 PM

From the pics, can't see the transaxle mounts. They may have been the main culprit in the joint giving out.

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Posted September 05, 2012 - 04:17 PM

WOW,,, That is rough,,, Sure hope it goes back together

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Posted September 05, 2012 - 05:05 PM

Good luck on the repair/reassembly.


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Posted September 05, 2012 - 11:29 PM

Thanks fellas, I'l get her back together in short order. JD brian, this was a prototype for Ford, I really don't know if the mounts were improved later on in production. I guess anyone who owns a true Ford 195 LGT Loader could chime in on that.

Kenny- the weldments were stressed to begin with on further close inspection, and the stick welds were not that great to begin with... I will grind 'em out, and TIG them back together, possibly with a small doubler gussest ....

I think the driveshaft needs top go in in one piece, but the motor might need to come out for that.... but not in my world. Anyone who knows different, let me know, I am all ears. My current plan is to take the forthcoming driveshaft, turn a section down to say .650 OD, then cut it right in the middle of that section. Then, a pipe sleeve turned to near .650 ID + / a few thou placed over the joint , Tig the thing back together, and move on.

Any advice appreciated.

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Posted September 06, 2012 - 12:55 AM

Only thing with splitting and rewelding is making sure it is straight.

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Posted September 06, 2012 - 07:20 AM

It should fit, I have had mine out a few times for differentthings and it goes back in with out any engine or trans removal. At the worst, you may need to pry/slip the shaft in because of the pilot. Good luck, heck I have faith, you will get easy easy! ;) :)

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Posted September 06, 2012 - 09:33 AM

Thanks for the ecouragement guys. I'll have a closer look when the replacement parts come in later this week. :-)

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Posted September 08, 2012 - 11:27 AM

Pops and I had a good look at the undercarriage yesterday morning over a quick cup 'o joe.

What we found to be the culprit was that the left side of the axle mount, both where the transaxle bolts to the mount, and where it bolts to the frame was loose . The bolts showed signs of being loose for some time, egging out the holes and wearing the bolts to a signifcantly smaller size. I was able to take the bolts out by hand. :mecry:

The rear axle being loose along with the aged and cracked rubber couplers at the driveshafrt ends resulted in the failure. I can't wait for the replacement parts to arrive, as I need them to fabricate the new input flange. Can't find a replacement for it, so making one is simpler. :smilewink:

Sorry no pics as yet. :blush2:




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