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#31 KennyP ONLINE  

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Posted August 19, 2012 - 11:56 AM

I got it down and checked the steering radius (by hand). It's about a 10' D at the inside. I can gain a bit more. Pulls great, just can't turn the tractor to the locks. Got on top and bounced a bit. Has a little flex, but isn't totally welded yet. The boards will help stiffen things a lot. There will be plenty of bolts holding them on.

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Posted August 19, 2012 - 12:34 PM

Kenny in the nursery business many nurseries use a self tracking trailer like the one in this link. Often we load up 3--5 of these in a train. We load them up with plants so they must be set up in some way that they do not tip over when the wheels are turned.....possibly because you do not need to turn the front wheels as far due to the rear wheels helping it turn as well. Just a fyi.....your project is looking good!

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Posted August 19, 2012 - 12:52 PM

I wonder how those are set up? I'm hoping to get it down to an 8' inside diameter turn; I'll get some pics later, watching the Michigan race right now.

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Posted August 19, 2012 - 03:40 PM

Well, my idea didn't gain anything as far as turn radius. Here's some pics of the limits.
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Posted August 19, 2012 - 04:12 PM

Kenny, what's hitting that's stopping them from turning further?

BTW, another way to tighten the radius is to move the wheels a little towards the center. Since the back ones are just tacked, you might play with those 6" or so and see what it does for you. If it works, you could move both axels 3"

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Posted August 19, 2012 - 04:31 PM

The arm the tie rod hooks to is hitting the spindle bracket. I trimmed one, but the tie rods aren't long enough to let it go further. I think the only option would be to use one tie rod from the tongue to a wheel, then from that wheel to the other. It doesn't do bad, may just leave it alone.

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Posted August 20, 2012 - 06:50 AM

After thinking this thru, I have two choices. Leave it and be happy. Or totally rebuild the front axle.
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If I rebuild, I would cut the spindles off the tube, weld the tube to the axle. Then weld the spindles to the u-shaped piece like a tractor axle is set up. Then I would have greater turning ability. Just depends if I want to do that.

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Posted August 20, 2012 - 07:17 AM

Kenny,it's looking good .Nice job so far.

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Posted August 20, 2012 - 10:44 AM

Kenny I'm not sure if this would work but I remember seeing a Ford 4x4 compact tractor that besides the front axle turning at the spindles it also pivioted like a kids wagon slightly to make a tighter turning radius , My DB Tri-Trac does somthing like that also but no way I could explaine that lol , Al

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Posted August 20, 2012 - 11:19 AM

Kenny, I'm glad to see you doing this... it might save me some headache later on! I've been planning to do the same thing, basically build a scale hay wagon. It would be nice to do the 5th wheel steering for the purpose of steering radius but the Ackerman is more stable... but double Ackerman (following style) would be difficult for to also incorporate a dump.

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Posted August 20, 2012 - 12:37 PM

Watching this build just makes me wish I had more property again to put such a thing to use.
But watching ain't bad, either. Nice work.

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Posted August 20, 2012 - 05:10 PM

Well, sorry to say I give up. My axle will not turn! Now to cut it all back apart and start completely over.

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Posted August 20, 2012 - 05:22 PM

Well, sorry to say I give up. My axle will not turn! Now to cut it all back apart and start completely over.


Kenny, that's bad news, sorry to hear of the setback. If it's any solstice, you're misfortune may help someone else in the future and the final geometry will definitely help them.
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Posted August 21, 2012 - 09:40 AM

After some good rest, I am going to try one more time. I was really upset as I worked all day to end up worse than it was before. I did change the spindles around and have full turn there. Just have to get the tie rods hooked up right. And I am just about out of argon/mix. Any ideas will be accepted!

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Posted August 21, 2012 - 12:33 PM

I found a pic of what Ford calls " super steer " besides the spindles moving so does the axle , not sure if you could adapt it for a wagon , Al

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