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#1 KennyP ONLINE  

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Posted August 05, 2012 - 02:19 PM

Thought I would start my own thread on the build. I had asked about the steering geometry in the other thread here:
http://gardentractortalk.com/forums/topic/14385-4-wheel-wagon/page__st__45
I have the front axle sort of going my way, I'll know more when I get the whole thing together. I'm not sure if I have enough 'turn' in it. Anyway, I went ahead and set things up to start this. Took a lot of head scratching, a little bit of DeltaCad, and just a 'what the hey, go for it'. here's where it stands:
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In the third pic, you can see where I reworked the tie rod hook up at the spindle. Here's a pic of before:
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I hope to make this 4' W X 6' L. Side boards will be an option.
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Posted August 05, 2012 - 02:29 PM

Looking good so far Kenny. All I can say is to try it and see how it turns.
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Posted August 05, 2012 - 02:36 PM

That's where I'm at. I didn't want to make an axle like a lot of wagons have. I wanted one that kept all four wheels under it so not to tip with a load. May take a lot of room to turn it around, but it won't tip.
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Posted August 05, 2012 - 03:40 PM

Great job! Looks like you used the Ackermann Steering Geometry so the angle of the wheels is correct in all turns. For those that might want to build something similar here is the explanation.

http://en.wikipedia....eering_geometry
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Posted August 05, 2012 - 03:56 PM

I hope it works! LOL I just threw it all together, had no idea of this geometry. Thanks for the link. Maybe it will work!
I wonder if I need to redo the tie rods? Just make one to tie the wheels together and attach it in the center? HMMMMMMMMMMMM?

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Posted August 05, 2012 - 04:18 PM

This type of steering is better than the entire front axle pivoting on a single center pivot.
The wagon is much more stable with this arrangement.
Looking good! Keep us posted of the progress.

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Posted August 05, 2012 - 04:21 PM

It may not be a very fast build, but you will get updates. Some times, I have to look at things a bit before going further.
I, too, like this type of steering. Can't turn as sharp, but I'm not worried about that.

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Posted August 05, 2012 - 04:43 PM

Thanks for documenting this Kenny and Kris thanks for the Ackermann link. It makes sense when you look at the geometry involved.

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Posted August 06, 2012 - 12:11 AM

Kenny looks like it's going to be a really nice wagon when your done :thumbs: Also your fabrication skills keep getting better on each project too :thumbs: Al
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Posted August 06, 2012 - 12:20 AM

Kenny, good luck with your 4 wheel wagon, I am going to have to build one soon myself, but I will take a shortcut, start with something LOL.

For the record, you are doing great so far.

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Posted August 06, 2012 - 04:07 AM

Kenny looks like it's going to be a really nice wagon when your done :thumbs: Also your fabrication skills keep getting better on each project too :thumbs: Al

Thanks! I am going a bit slower on this, thinking thru the next step before I jump in. Plus I've used better metal. That helps a lot, along with making a drawing. That takes some of the guess work out. Also, I'm getting better with my welds.

Next step is the bed. The frame of it will be bed rails. I may have to go after some new angle iron to attach the axles on with. I'm hoping to use 5/4" deck boards on top.

Gtractor, I'm going to use that to see where it says the rear axle should be from the front (ie: wheelbase), I want a 6' long bed on this.

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Posted August 06, 2012 - 04:54 AM

Neat project you've got on the go here Kenny. What are you planning on using this
wagon for?
Thanks for that link Kris.

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Posted August 06, 2012 - 05:07 AM

Kenny,this is going to be quite a project.I can't wait to see more.

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Posted August 06, 2012 - 05:35 AM

Neat project you've got on the go here Kenny. What are you planning on using this
wagon for?
Thanks for that link Kris.

That's a good question, Will. Probably just unloading my tools from the PU after a job. Save a lot of walking. I won't be adding side boards for a while, just leave it flat for larger items. Just had the wheels and needed something to do.

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Posted August 06, 2012 - 08:39 AM

Kenny, Nice wagon. When you modified the steering arms you actually will get the ackermann affect.
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