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Poll: When Is It No Longer The Same Tractor? (21 member(s) have cast votes)

When does a tractor lose it's identity? What's OK to change?

  1. Only what has to be swapped (3 votes [14.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.29%

  2. Tin and Cosmetics (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Whatever's bad and you have a spare (14 votes [66.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 66.67%

  4. As long as you keep the serial tag. (4 votes [19.05%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.05%

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#1 MH81 ONLINE  

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Posted June 30, 2012 - 04:58 PM

I have been thinking about this for the better part of a week. I was looking at the parts I'm assembling for the scrap Massey, with the three partial donor tractors, I have almost enough parts to replace everything, even the frame.

I guess the question is, (and I know I'm opening a can of worms here) when does a tractor lose it's identity. If the tin's ok to change, then what about the fenders, and if I change the frame and reattach the serial number is it no longer the Scrap?

My plan is to leave the tag on the frame, engine, and tranny but was looking for a lively voting session. Which is why I deleted my 5th voting option of "Whatever, Dude... It's your tractor!

Please no nit picking, this is a real question that I would like input on.
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Posted June 30, 2012 - 05:11 PM

IMO whatever parts are removed, if they are replaced with with parts that would of been used on that model of tractor, keeps it still that model of tractor, the same tractor.

Any part from an MF10 put on another MF10, keeps it the same tractor.

A Kohler engine off of a JD that is put on a MF10, then it's not the same tractor.
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Posted June 30, 2012 - 05:12 PM

That tractor will never lose it's identity unless you seriously modify it. To you, it's the same one, no matter what you change! To others, it may be totally different!
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Posted June 30, 2012 - 05:32 PM

IMO whatever parts are removed, if they are replaced with with parts that would of been used on that model of tractor, keeps it still that model of tractor, the same tractor.

Any part from an MF10 put on another MF10, keeps it the same tractor.

A Kohler engine off of a JD that is put on a MF10, then it's not the same tractor.


Doug, If the gt originally had a Kohler, are you saying that if it didn't come off that brand, then it's not original?
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Posted June 30, 2012 - 05:34 PM

Al I say do whatever is needed to make said tractor a fit and functioning machine. The correct police don't come round my neighborhood. I would have to run them off. Everything I own has been hodge podged together from various parts machines. I do not own a GT that has everything on it that it was born with.
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Posted June 30, 2012 - 05:43 PM

Doug, If the gt originally had a Kohler, are you saying that if it didn't come off that brand, then it's not original?


If a tractor came with a 10hp Kohler and you replaced it with another 10hp Kohler that is the same type, then it's original, more or less.

If you replace a 10hp Kohler with a 10hp Tecumseh then it's not original, that's kinda obvious.

There are some that will say if you change any part, even with replacement part that is the same as the original, then the tractor is not original because the replacement part was not the one that was on it the day it was made.
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Posted June 30, 2012 - 06:07 PM

Thanks Doug, I thought that was what you meant, but i wanted to check.

I agree that as long as it the same part or piece, even if it is off of a different Brand, It is still Original..
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Posted June 30, 2012 - 06:24 PM

For me, I think if you are replacing the parts with parts that are of the same type, then you are still keeping the identity of the tractor the same. Look at the MF's, the 10 and 12 use the a lot of the same pieces. Take the steering wheel for example, there are 2 different types for both the 10 and the 12, but if you use the one that is the same type you kept the identity the same.

And look at the trans axles for instance, (like on my MF12) the axle tube was broken. That tube was used on many GT's, like the JD110 and the Ford and jac's( I learned this thanks to olcowhand). The tubes even have the exact same casting numbers on them. So I kept the identity the same, even though it was off a different make GT.

Example of an identity change would be like modifying a 1200 series hood onto a 10 or 12. Or installing a Hydro trans on a 10.

The engine swaps are different. Say you put a 12hp on a MF10, well it looks like a 10 but it really is not anymore, as the 10 was named for the hp of the engine.( I would still consider it a 10 myself though)

Now if we were talking about what makes a tractor Original, that would be a totally different thing.
Heck if you change the belts or the deck blades then I guess it wouldn't be all Original anymore?

Good luck with what ever you do. This is a tough question, These are just my opinions.
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Posted June 30, 2012 - 06:54 PM

Well, it doesn't matter much to me, except for some of my Bush Hog tractors to keep them original, but with automobiles, it's not the same unit once you change the chassis out, even if you have the original tag. Say like you're the GTT member with that very 1st built model, then replace the chassis, but put the original tag on the replacement frame. Technically it's not original, but nobody is gonna hear me complain about things like this. If it's the same part used in that model, then it's original.
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Posted June 30, 2012 - 07:09 PM

And then of course, there is always the curve ball.
Example: If you had Marilyn Monroe's GT, and you replaced the seat, well it just wouldn't
be the same GT anymore.
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Posted June 30, 2012 - 07:12 PM

And then of course, there is always the curve ball.
Example: If you had Marilyn Monroe's GT, and you replaced the seat, well it just wouldn't
be the same GT anymore.

LOL! :bigrofl:

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Posted June 30, 2012 - 07:26 PM

And then of course, there is always the curve ball.
Example: If you had Marilyn Monroe's GT, and you replaced the seat, well it just wouldn't
be the same GT anymore.


:bigrofl: Exactly how are you wired, Will? :bigrofl:

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Posted June 30, 2012 - 08:02 PM

:bigrofl: Exactly how are you wired, Will? :bigrofl:


Evidently he's a "Butt" man! :smilewink:

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Posted June 30, 2012 - 08:08 PM

I am sure many of us could write BOOKS about this. Although, I don't think any of them would ever lead to one conclusion and it would lead to more questions. I think I am just going to observe this one as I don't really have much of an opinion right now.

One thing I see a lot is "It is only original once."
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Posted June 30, 2012 - 08:14 PM

It really won't matter to much if tin, engine and so on is changed. The only thing i have ever been against is changing a serial number tag from one frame to another. I even have had guys try and buy them off me but would not sell never know if it ends up as a replacement for a stolen tractor.
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