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#46 KennyP ONLINE  

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Posted May 06, 2012 - 06:47 AM

Glad to see the videos and you got the 650 going! Cool stuff, thanks for sharing!

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Posted May 06, 2012 - 06:44 PM

Thanks for the video, Glad you had fun :D


Sounds like you need a shorter belt or your missing some belt guards if that belt keeps falling off.
Also You need a brake adjustment or some new brake pads. Your transmission wont last long if it keeps grinding like that.

After doin a pulley ajustment , it made a huge difference, but it definately needs the belt guards and brake pads, but it did work much better when he left , than when it showed up. I had fun getting it to run decent .
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Posted May 06, 2012 - 07:47 PM

After doin a pulley ajustment , it made a huge difference, but it definately needs the belt guards and brake pads, but it did work much better when he left , than when it showed up. I had fun getting it to run decent .

The main pad that stops the driveshaft from spinning sits right below the shifting lever.
When the tractor is running in neutral get off and press the clutch all the way down by hand and watch and see if the shaft stops spinning. If it takes longer than 5 seconds for that shaft to stop spinning then the brakes need to be replaced or adjusted.




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Well guys, here's a recap/review on the 650, it was aquired from a guy who does cleanouts, he said he found it in a barn. I went to get it and arrived at night, no effort was made to start it at the time, so it was a 'what you see (or don't) is what you get' deal. It came with a mower deck and at the time it seemed like a good buy for the money. The motor(Tec/HM100) is not original to the tractor. Seller did a quickie can paint job to help with the sale(color; black). Because of the engine swap, there are conflicts to the overall system, ie; electrical and task functions. The wiring job, at present is incomplete at best and in some areas incompatible. Machine can be started (sometimes) by key but won't shut system down if key goes to off position, likewise system won't charge, there is no direct shutoff switch or gas shutoff valve in place. The Tecumseh HM100 will run the tractor around until it's likely eventual failure, but its' at first glance 10hp upgrade from the original 6hp Briggs & Stratton may not translate to efficient operation of attachments. Thanks to skyrydr, I got to the actual motion/operation test phase. His experience and knowledge were vital and saved me from countless mistakes and blind guesswork. Now that we all know it can run, and some of what it needs, I can now feel more confident in trying to open it up and making it right. IMO, having it seen and tested while it was in one piece was a far better way to approach. Other indicated issues can now also be addressed...I'll keep you guys up to date on the progress and thanks for checkin' in on us.

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Posted May 09, 2012 - 01:05 PM

Here we have what remains of what I believe to have been the brakes. The material(s) are questionable, likewise my easiest option for replacement, please jump in anytime...I will refer to them as A and B
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...not pretty I know, I suspect there was home repair in here.

*My next question is about the belt guard, which I wasn't able to get a # or pic of from my '650 parts manual, I have seen a few on ebay but not sure which is correct, Thanks

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Posted May 09, 2012 - 07:31 PM

I think we have found the source of the grinding. Your brakes are definitely in need of replacing.
The smaller pad is original Bolens, but the other one looks to be a homemade brake pad LOL.
It was actually quite common for people to attempt to make their own brake pads on these Bolens.

I'd check with our site sponsor bhts
I believe he still has some NOS ones and I think he was working on making replacement ones.
If I remember correctly the small pad is #1713777 and the larger pad is 1713751
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Posted May 09, 2012 - 08:33 PM

I think we have found the source of the grinding. Your brakes are definitely in need of replacing.
The smaller pad is original Bolens, but the other one looks to be a homemade brake pad LOL.
It was actually quite common for people to attempt to make their own brake pads on these Bolens.

I'd check with our site sponsor bhts
I believe he still has some NOS ones and I think he was working on making replacement ones.
If I remember correctly the small pad is #1713777 and the larger pad is 1713751

Doc'
I've checked listed sponsors,did I miss somebody? were you referring to Bobs..?

Have you ever tried to make your own pads?

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Posted May 10, 2012 - 04:29 AM

Doc'
I've checked listed sponsors,did I miss somebody? were you referring to Bobs..?

Have you ever tried to make your own pads?


Yeah I was Referring to Bob.

I have never made my own pads ....

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Posted May 10, 2012 - 06:48 AM

I think I've found the stuff @ http://www.tubeframes.com/#!__drivetrain---chassis/productsstackergallery1=4 looks right w/my eye for whatever thats worth...#s match to..3751 & shows set (long,short) looks much like Docs' pic.

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Posted May 10, 2012 - 11:28 AM

Keep up the good work Newpaw!!! Nothing like learning your machine right off the bat Huh!! :)
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Posted May 10, 2012 - 04:21 PM

Keep up the good work Newpaw!!! Nothing like learning your machine right off the bat Huh!! :)

I've heard,..'encouragement is half of laborers' pay..Thanks for checkin' in, it's error and trial over here for now. :thumbs:

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Posted May 11, 2012 - 08:21 AM

Keep up the good work Newpaw!!! Nothing like learning your machine right off the bat Huh!! :)

started stripping paint, said goodbye to the 'Darkknight' look that the seller gave me..


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while foraging around I found some DTM, which to my eye had a close match to 'original' tone. put some on for test, if anything it'll make a base coat for this low budget/low tech redo..what do you say?

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Posted May 12, 2012 - 12:10 AM

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while foraging around I found some DTM, which to my eye had a close match to 'original' tone. put some on for test, if anything it'll make a base coat for this low budget/low tech redo..what do you say?

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I think it looks great!! and I also found it helpful when you know that the GTT guys are pullin for ya!! :)

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Posted May 12, 2012 - 12:13 AM

By the way Newpaw, your seat rocks!!!! :rocker2:
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Posted May 12, 2012 - 06:03 PM

By the way Newpaw, your seat rocks!!!! :rocker2:


Thanks again speedy, didn't touch the project much today but had Excellent roadtrip day! enjoy the weekend!!!

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Posted May 12, 2012 - 08:47 PM

BIGTHANX2JASON4567 :urock:






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