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#31 1031d OFFLINE  

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Posted March 23, 2012 - 09:19 AM

You will have to look at the tag. Seems a lit of guys play musical engines with the Onans. The Kohler engine is a CASE spec engine and should it need to be replaced you need the special block crank flywheel and oil pan.
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Posted March 23, 2012 - 11:22 AM

You will have to look at the tag. Seems a lit of guys play musical engines with the Onans. The Kohler engine is a CASE spec engine and should it need to be replaced you need the special block crank flywheel and oil pan.

--I think I checked the GTV earlier and its a twin-opposed BS. Paint has covered any clear ID. As for the 442, I think its an original spec engine-lots of numbers have passed thru my head since I made the deal, but engine attachments do mate with the parts manual.

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Posted March 23, 2012 - 11:58 AM

The engine in the Sears is an Onan. Tag will be on the top right of the shroud when facing the flywheel.
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Posted March 24, 2012 - 02:41 AM

You will have to look at the tag. Seems a lit of guys play musical engines with the Onans. The Kohler engine is a CASE spec engine and should it need to be replaced you need the special block crank flywheel and oil pan.

Is that all ? :laughingteeth:

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Posted March 24, 2012 - 04:31 AM

-----------Kenny, Any chance this is a B43M? The 446 Manual says mine would have been a BF-MS C19029---The Same?

The tag is there, just have to clean it off. I think the #'s are stamped into the tag. The Sears used a BF-MS I believe. I'm not real good with other Onans as I haven't seen them in person. I'm just not sure how to tell the difference from just looking at them.
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Posted March 24, 2012 - 04:41 AM

Lee,good luck with your Case tractors.Hope you can find what you need.
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Posted March 24, 2012 - 06:31 AM

Kenny-that's going to be good news if its an Onan-May have a major parts machine for you. I'm going out first thing to check. I found a guy in McAlister that has someparts also.(CL)

Maynard-I've spent a couple of days going over manuals and cleaning this deck and I'm VERY impressed with this jewel. I'd guess it has less than 25% of the total parts the Massey has-and more capabilities from an add-on standpoint.
The big Good Years have NO weather cracks, rust is minimal, and all the hydraulics are there except reservoir and heat exchanger., and the 442 is even more complete -as Kenny would say: WOOO HOOO

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Posted March 24, 2012 - 06:41 AM

Lee, that SS/16 looks good enough to refurb. Lots better than being a parts machine. All of my Sears are newer that that. That is an Onan on it, but most likely a BF-MS.
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Posted March 24, 2012 - 09:44 AM

Lee, that SS/16 looks good enough to refurb. Lots better than being a parts machine. All of my Sears are newer that that. That is an Onan on it, but most likely a BF-MS.

As usual you guys are right again-a BF-MS. Its a SIR (says its runs) .and yeah its too good for a parts donor,besides he says "when his health gets better, he's going to mow with it" :bounce:

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Posted March 25, 2012 - 04:52 AM

The 446 is "in the dry" after N? years outdoors--A little digging and I found 2 Onan original engines and hood/grill for the 442. All within a short distance of here so now its just $$. He may have an original factory 3-pt for it also :bounce: :bounce:

After a trip to Texas this week, I'll get the 442 home and try to light it up weds or thurs.

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Posted March 25, 2012 - 05:32 AM

I would fix both if you can find the time and $$$. The Onans seem to either run well and run a long life or run your wallet empty, seems to depend on preventative maintenance. I have a 195 which was replaced by the 442 and I have an Ingersoll 446 which is a long frame. The 442 wasn't made but 2-3 years. Seems aside from the K301 and decals it was the same as a 444 but either way parts are all over ePay, same with the 446. Good running Onan's can be found for $500-750 around here, and JD, Wheel Horse used them also. My 446 has a B43M in it. Once I switched from a hydrostatic drive to a hydraulic Hydriv I am NEVER going back!

---The guy I spoke to yesterday also has a 195 also -pretty nice tractor and pretty rare.('67/'68 only) . Sorting thru the different specs/different pin # jungle take some digging. I thought the 442 was made in '69-'70-'71 only but our , Model-Date-S# Manual, says some were made in '72 beginning with #9658614, so mine must have been one of the last with #9659153. Lots of contradictions

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Posted March 25, 2012 - 05:46 AM

Good luck with all the finds, Lee! Hope you find a running Onan. I have a B43M spotted, just have to get the guy to decide what he's going to do with it!

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Posted March 25, 2012 - 07:36 AM

Is that all ? :laughingteeth:


---The guy I spoke to yesterday also has a 195 also -pretty nice tractor and pretty rare.('67/'68 only) . Sorting thru the different specs/different pin # jungle take some digging. I thought the 442 was made in '69-'70-'71 only but our , Model-Date-S# Manual, says some were made in '72 beginning with #9658614, so mine must have been one of the last with #9659153. Lots of contradictions

The 442 was made from 1969-1971. I have a 1968 195 and it has all the later model parts on it. I also got a mower deck, snow blade, and a pair of snow casters for it. Just rebuilt the deck last week, all bearings, 2 spindles new roller axle and spacers plus thanks to Joe Hemi I got a set of belt covers. I use it all the time for yard work. Joes has quite a pile of 442/444 parts in his store.

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Posted April 04, 2012 - 09:28 AM

Just a quick up date-can't post pics yet-my laptop crashed--but BOTH the 446 and 442 are home and safely In The Shop-Lots of missing parts to build 2 tractors though --Lee

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Posted April 28, 2012 - 07:39 PM

I have a Case 442, but no engine-- bought it for scrap price along with a hydraulic roto-tiller. I also have a 195 with engine, but needs some work. Both are missing some tin-- the 195 doesn't have a hood, etc. If you have any extra parts, I'd be interested in them as I want to get the 442 running... I'm thinking of re-powering it with either a Chinese diesel, or a Kubota vertical twin... not sure how easy it would be but it's definitely a project that would keep me out of the pool halls. ;o}

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