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#46 DougT ONLINE  

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Posted February 18, 2012 - 09:43 AM

Are you guys using the Uncle Ben's converted rice??? I think that's a must when trying to get the chinese stuff to work here in the states!
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Posted February 18, 2012 - 09:44 AM

The owners manual for my lifan (Chinese) engine, it says to remove spark plug _ 1st remove engine,place in pot of boiling water,boil for 15 minutes or until engine just starts to float (stiring frequently) wearing gloves remove from stove and drain water. let cool for 5 minutes then remove plug with spark plug wrench.( This must be to loosen that rice glue on the threads? ) :unsure:


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Posted February 18, 2012 - 09:53 AM

The small shops closing is everybody's fault. We all support small shops for our main hobbies because it matters to us, but how many of us shop at Wal-Mart, Home Depot, and other big box stores for everything else? Cheap jeans, cheap lumber, cheap food, cheap electronics.

I watched this happen to the photo industry back in the 1980s. It was all small shops, then the chains moved in and put the small shops out of business. After that the big box stores moved in and killed most of the chains. Digital was the final blow, since many were hanging on from the profits of the photofinishing end of the business.

I watched it happen to lumber yards in the 1990s. Home Depot and Rona/Revy came to town and Beaver Lumber shut down. North American Lumber pulled out of the cities. Plumber's Supply is gone. Most of the independent tool dealers have shut down, and those that are left specialize in high-end tools.

So, yeah, it's happening to the GT/small engine business as well. The big box stores want products that self-destruct shortly after the warranty is up because that fits their business model. Price point is all that matters. The only way the manufacturers can compete is to get the manufacturing done where it's cheap. Right now that's mostly China, but they are starting to outsource to even poorer countries to keep costs down.

The way to fix this is to demand that developing countries pay higher wages and meet the same labour and environmental standards as us. Include that in trade deals and either they'll have to compete on quality or the work will come back to us. If they can't make 14 year old girls string together wiring harnesses for twelve hours at a time for a buck a day, we'd all be better off.
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Posted February 18, 2012 - 12:26 PM

I'm new to the forum, but I agree 100% with you Reverend Blair! The problem lies with the fact that most of the countries to which the production is being outsourced do not care what treaties we enact. Our Government has been for many years now making it easier to outsource by offering incentives to do so! It's an outrage and it's only getting worse. I place the blame on the corporate greed that has overwhelmed the business of business. The "stock holders" run the show and higher profits are King and God to them. Their lobbyists write the legislation that sees to it that the rules favor the bottom line. The average salary of the CEO has increased by hundreds of percent over the last 20 years! This has been because they are the ones who get the margins in line for the stock holders. It seems that capitalism has become the monster that we fear. I'm not a socialist or a communist, but I believe that a Corporation should have a conscience and be proactive in the economy which allows them to thrive. We are rapidly approaching a caste system where there will be rich and poor with no middle class to speak of. You can call it a political issue if you wish, but IMHO, it is simply a matter of the values we espouse as a nation and a world. "We" do as little as possible and expect everything we ever wanted in return for this lack of effort. Why? Because they "owe" it to us. OK, this is turning into a rant, so I'm gonna climb down off of my soap box now. I wish that I had a solution, but I know that this disease has infected me as well. I try to be the most productive that I can and when I realize that I'm falling into the trap, I try to change that piece of the behavior. I have hope that one day the masses will do other than lip service to the "changes" of attitude (more than anything else) that will be necessary to right this situation.

Edited by GTguy, February 18, 2012 - 12:27 PM.

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Posted February 22, 2012 - 11:34 AM

GTguy,welcome to the forum.Glad to have you with us.

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Posted February 22, 2012 - 11:55 AM

To make this as simple as possible, we vote with our wallets and have to live with our choice.
We the consumer do not want to pay a dime more than necessary yet complain that personal service is no longer a reality.
We get what We pay for.
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Posted February 23, 2012 - 04:42 AM

To make this as simple as possible, we vote with our wallets and have to live with our choice.
We the consumer do not want to pay a dime more than necessary yet complain that personal service is no longer a reality.
We get what We pay for.


You're exactly right Chris.

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Posted June 02, 2015 - 04:34 PM

Used to work on airguns for years. One of the biggest problems on the Chinese guns was faulty screws. The screws themselves seem like they were made out of the softest steel I've ever seen. If anything was tightened beyond snug the screws would strip out. Cross threaded fasteners was another head ache. Things seem to be getting better but there is still a ways to go with the Chinese fasteners. 



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Posted June 02, 2015 - 05:08 PM

To make this as simple as possible, we vote with our wallets and have to live with our choice.
We the consumer do not want to pay a dime more than necessary yet complain that personal service is no longer a reality.
We get what We pay for.

 

 

We once had choices between buying import vs domestic products and brand names vs no-name imports.

 

Most of these choices have been taken away from us as more and more manufacturers went to foreign sources.

 

Every time a manufacturer chooses to have big-box retailers sell their equipment, they are helping to put another nail in a small dealer's coffin.



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Posted June 02, 2015 - 05:35 PM

I remember like it was yesterday (about 30 years ago now) going with my grandfather to the wheelhorse dealer and him trying them out and buying one. The guy gave me a hat. It was a big deal back then. The shops long gone.
I doubt my kids will remember what I bought at home depot or lowes.
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