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Removing Rust with Electrolysis
Nov 18, 2010 10:33 AM |
olcowhand
in Tech Tips / How To
Building your own electrolysis system is very inexpensive & doesn't take much time to put together. You can start with any size you want. Many just use a 5 gallon plastic bucket. But any plastic or fiberglass (non-metallic) container will work fine.For my system, I am using a 55 gallon plastic drum. You can use a simple battery charger to power it, as long as it isn't a "smart charger" which has to detect a battery in order to operate. You can even use a DC welder set to lower setting. I am using a 10amp battery charger & it works great.
As you can see, I made my 4 anodes from concrete reinforcement rod (re-rod). The action works by "line of sight", so you want as many anodes as possible. You could even use steel sheet metal for the anode, shaping it to fit the container's wall.
You want the anodes to reach the bottom of the container all the way to the top. I welded my anodes together, but you can have them individually, but then you have to run good wire connections to each anode.
You DO NOT want to use stainless steel for the sacrificial anode!! It produces dangerous fumes, plus the water will have chromium deposits in it, and disposing of the liquid is illegal....DANGEROUS STUFF!
Once you have your container with anodes, it's time to mix the liquid. It is simply plain water with Arm & Hammer LAUNDRY Soda, also labeled "washing soda", which you can find at grocery & department stores. You can also use feed grade "bicarbonate of soda" (feed buffer), which is what I use, as I have that in bulk for our cattle feed.
You mix 1/2 cup of the soda powder to each 5 gallons of water.
The positive wire from the power source connects to the anodes, with the negative connecting to the part being cleaned. Once the parts are hanging or sitting correctly, you may put the power to the system. Reversing the polarity will sacrifice your part, so be SURE positive goes to the anodes!
Now that you have your tank ready, it's time to remove some rust. You can use a wood 2x4 or most anything to lay across the barrel to suspend my rusty parts from as long as nothing can short against the anodes. You CANNOT allow hanging parts to touch any anode, or it will short out the system & electrolysis process will come to a screeching halt, plus it could overheat your power source. When I had several small parts to clean, I used a steel tube across the barrel, then suspending each part with steel wire, then simply put the negative clamp from my charger to the tube, which connected all parts together.
Here is my Bush Hog garden tractor frame in my tank. It is sitting on the bottom of barrel & resting against the plastic of the barrel top. With it, I had to do one end of the frame at a time. When one side was finished, I flipped & did the other end.
The inner area of the frame couldn't make "line of sight" very well to all areas, so I added a suspended anode into the center to get a more complete process. Note the extra anode is insulated from making contact with the tractor frame.
Here is what the water looked like after 24hrs:
As you can see, the water is red from the removed paint. You can also see the bubbling action from the process, which the bubbling starts almost immediately upon applying power to the solution. The beauty of electrolysis is that you can leave the part in the tank without fear of harming it, and all the while you can do something else with your time. Once the rust & paint is loosened, the bubbling pretty much stops. Usually 24hrs is as long as it will take.
Once ready, shut off the power, then remove the part & immediately use a putty knife & wire brush to remove the black oxide that WAS the rust. The oxide brushes off easily, along with any remaining paint. Paint peels off best with the putty knife, then follow with the brush. Cleaning up the half of this frame took only about 5 minutes.
If there are any tough spots of rust or paint remaining, simply place part back in the tank for more electrolysis until completed.
As soon as part is completely stripped & cleaned up, dry the part as fast as possible & coat with primer. The part will "flash rust" almost immediately after stripping & cleaning when exposed to air.
The solution will last indefinitely. But if lots of trash builds in bottom of barrel, the solution can simply be poured onto your yard, leaving the sludge in the barrel, of which the sludge can be removed & placed in a container & taken to any place that will take unwanted paint & other chemicals. The solution itself is safe for the yard (increases soil acidity) as long as stainless steel was not used. The solution is not dangerous to the skin, but I recommend using latex gloves or similar just the same.
Cautionary Statement: BE SURE to operate this system in open air environment, as the process produces flammable hydrogen gas. Do not breathe any fumes coming off the system. DO NOT use stainless steel for the anodes.
Shut off power before touching parts or immersing hands in solution.
Place POSITIVE to anode, NEGATIVE to part being cleaned.
Dispose of any residuals properly
Electrolysis has proven itself to myself & countless others as a very worthwhile method of restoring lawn tractors, garden tractors, parts, just about any metal part needing rust, scale, & paint removed. My brother in law has removed lots of rust from parts of his John Deere "A" after I showed him how to build an electrolysis tank. So far, everyone that I know who has built an electrolysis system has been amazed at how well & easy it is to use.
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98 Comments
Thank-you!
I also added another dose of the Arm & hammer to the water. I figure it will last until the water in the barrel freezes solid for about four months. There is still quite a bit of metal left on the knives so I am going to let them dry out and then either wire brush or grind it off.
I believe I messed up on the first set and made them too long for the 55 gallon plastic barrel I used. The bottom 6" or so of the electrodes were pretty much eaten away so I only used the 22" knives.
On the bedknives themself most golf courses just throw the old knives away or sell them for scrap so possibly you could talk them into throwing some your way.
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You could actually lean the fuel mixture on the carb and pick up fuel mileage. The only thing about this is you have to drive a power source to generate the electricity to separate the H and the O2. Would that not nullify any fuel savings?
no it don't,it takes very few amps to make this work,also i use cristal lie instead of backing soda, it is cleaner and uses even less amps.I ran directly from the battery,(inline fuse)if you get too much lie in it, it will simply blow the fuse,I use a 30 amp fuse,This will only work on older vehickles, because of the computer in newer ones
To not high-jack this thread, We should start a new thread on this subject. Just wondering on how many guys have tried this and their thoughts. I am sure there are as many opinions on this as we have members. Could be the longest thread on this site?
I have a few clips on the process. I use Oxy-Clean in my tank. I also connect my charger to an off delay timer in case I'm not around to pull my parts out of the tank. It's a good safety feature.
I have also heard that the waste water is good for the garden due to the iron content in the water. I haven't dumed into my garden simply because of the ease of draining my tank.
Also, the article advises against using stainless for your sacrificial steel. I couldn't agree more on this. Harmful chromates are produced in the water making it unsafe and illegal to dump into the sanitary sewer.
that is what I used
I may of missed something horribly obvious, but would 3/4" copper pipes work for the anodes? Cost wise I realize that it would be expensive!!!, but it would be very easy to solder together in any grid size and shape. Would it be safe to use, would it last, and would it be easy to clean?
I have my parts barrel ready to go, I am using a 50 gallon plastic drum laying on its side with a 20" X 30" oval cut in its side.
Thanks
Bronco77
i have a 60+ gallon tank that i do 42 and under decks in it works GREAT
As you mentioned in the article DO NOT use stainless steel! Also NO CHROME! Both generate hazadous chemicals/waste.
Try not to let any copper or galvanize metal into the solution. Very small ammounts of either will cause a green slime to form on top of the solution.
The Arm and Hammer washing soda is commonly used, but any sodium carbonate (soda ash) product will work, and most don't have the additives that produce a perfumed aroma like the washing soda. I use swimming pool PH increaser. It is pure soda ash.
This process is for removing rust. It will take off paint and decals, provided there is rust under them. When paint and or decals are removed by this process it is actually removing the layer of rust that the paint or decal is sticking to. It will not remove paint or decals from sound metal.
It can be used to descale aluminum parts but unlike steel which can be left in after the process is complete, if aluminum is left in too long it can cause surface pitting.
The anodes need to be the same type metal as what you are cleaning. The process works by taking iron (or whatever metal is being cleaned) ions from the anodes and swapping them with the iron oxide ions on the cathode (good metal swapped for rust). Many have mentioned current draw. The solution used is a semiconductor. The closer you get the anodes to the cathodes the more current can pass between them, therefore the faster the process works. That means a large container with anodes permaently placed around the outer edge will work rather slowly on small parts hung in the center, several inches away from the anodes. Cathodes can be placed closer to the piece being cleaned to speed things up.
I use a Rubbermaid 45 gallon trash container. I usually use eight peices of rebar arranged around the inside, each with a romex cable clamp on top. I have them daisy chained together with wire. I use a 12 volt battery charger as a power source and most parts clean up in a few hours. With the cable clamps on the rebar I can unscrew the clamps and pull the rebar out for cleaning/replacement when eaten away. When I need to drain the container I place a length of 1/4" vacuum hose into the tank, with the end above the sludg and hang it over the side to the ground. I start a syphon action with a hand vacuum pump and let gravity do the rest of the work.
Very good info! I printed to a *.pdf for my file.
Should have a download *.pdf on line for all.
Great Info, cant wait to try it!
Great article. I finally got around to trying this today. I didn't have any luck with it. It may have been the cheap harbor freight charger I was using. Going to give it another shot tomorrow!